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Post by hawcer on Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:37 pm

I've done a little research into reluced loads for the 223 Remington.

I came across two very different loads.... First follows the old stand by for reduced loads from Hodgdon using H4895. Take the Max load and divide by 60%...that will give you a starting load to work up from. Example: The load 21.7gr of H4895 with a 40 to 50 gr bullet is supposed to mimic the 22 Hornet.

On the other hand, reduced loads can be loaded with handgun powder. For example: 4gr of Unique under a 40gr Hornet bullet will be compareable to a 22 Magnum...but can be worked up to around 8gr.

I am going to load a test batch using both methods...I will start around 17gr of H4895 and work up to the 21.7 mark...and start with 4gr of Unique and work up to 7 or 8gr...but if I'm happy with loads around 6gr I will not go any farther...no sense in pushing it too far.


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Post by Daywalker on Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:49 pm

What Velocity are those rated for? What Velocity are you wanting?

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Re: 223 reduced loads

Post by algunjunkie on Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:56 pm

why do you even want them

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Re: 223 reduced loads

Post by hawcer on Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:26 am

why do you even want them.

Not sure how to take that....

Why do I want them? Because I do!

I am not allowed to shoot full load 223's at the silhouette targets...they get damaged. But if I can reduce the load to one that equals a 22 Hornet ...I can then use them on the Silhouette range.

I am looking at getting around 2000-2200fps and still be fairly accurate out of my single shot pistol.


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Post by algunjunkie on Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:48 am

not questioning your motives, just this is the first time that I have ever heard of someone want reduced loads for the 223. I just couldn't figure out a reason for them.

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Re: 223 reduced loads

Post by hawcer on Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:02 am

algunjunkie wrote:not questioning your motives, just this is the first time that I have ever heard of someone want reduced loads for the 223. I just couldn't figure out a reason for them.

Yeah, it does seem a little strange to want to reduce a load in an already small cartridge. If I can get a good load worked up for the pistol, I might try them in the bolt rifle...as long as the bullet has enough get up and go to exit the 26" barrel ,it could be a fun small critter round too.

I know I spend too much time outside the box...but inside the box is a little crowded and I like my space. Smile

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Re: 223 reduced loads

Post by infantryjohn49 on Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:12 pm



This sounds very intresting as a load such as this would also be quiter would I be right? Keep us posted. I like being a mad scientist also .

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Post by kcatto on Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:16 am

what would be real nice is if you could get a 223 loaded down to a subsonic velocity.... now that has potential....

literally kill small game and not disturb the squirrels in the next tree....

A reloadable sub sonic.... hmmm.. now I might really have to buy a 223...


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Re: 223 reduced loads

Post by hawcer on Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:28 am

I'm sure it can be done. you'll need a fast twist to stabilize a heavy bullet....and then go with a reduced charge with that combination....under 1200fps I think would be the goal fps for subsonics.

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Post by kcatto on Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:40 pm

I was thinking a 40gr and light load... but then again I talked to my buddy that is an ar nut ans he said he has 30gr bullets he got from fiochhoi and he light loads them and get 800fps.... he says it is his cat killing round????? quite as a 22lr subsonic with a little more weight

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Re: 223 reduced loads

Post by hawcer on Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:18 am

I did a little work on these this weekend. I did some calculations on QL I was going to paste up here, But my junk puter at home wouldn't connect to the internet...

anyhow, so far I have 20 cartridges loaded. 5 at 5gr of Unique, 5 at 6gr of Unique, 5 at 6.5gr of Unique and 5 at 7gr of Unique. 7 grains of Unique will be just over 2000fps according to QL(using the Hornet 40gr bullets seated to a COL of 2.068).

I have not loaded any with h4895 yet. It looks like I'll have an incomplete powder burn while the bullet is in the barrel...so that equals more muzzle flash and prolly more carbon residue in the barrel and on the cases. Not very efficient, but I can easily get the outcome I want and I know it is a safe load.

I'll try to get the data sheets on here...

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Re: 223 reduced loads

Post by dartfreak75 on Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:15 pm

i did some with 30-06 i use a 55 grains 22 cal bullet in a sabot with 12 grains of unique and filled the rest up with poly fill it was about like a 22 mag or 17 hmr it was fairly accurate out to 50 yards but after that they started drifting never could get them to group at 100 yards but im gonna try again when i get another 30-06! good luck keep us updated!

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Re: 223 reduced loads

Post by kcatto on Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:59 pm

hey dart where did you get those sabot for the 30-06???


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